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Post by Bigman80 on Feb 25, 2022 21:58:43 GMT
I think you've nailed the contemporary design cues that a lot of people want. They really look outstanding. Exactly like the telephone-number kit. Cheers Macca. Appreciated. Thankfully these won't be carrying telephone number price tags!
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Post by macca on Feb 25, 2022 22:00:22 GMT
No but they could do. Which is impressive.
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Post by electronumpty on Feb 25, 2022 23:14:10 GMT
You get 6 Valves and bare solid core copper wire linking it all up, throw it in a Bisto Tin and someone will absolutely love it. mmmnm just had an idea for numpty business venture, might stick a wanted ad for used Bisto tins in the classifieds
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Post by Bigman80 on Feb 26, 2022 10:40:43 GMT
Readying the install:
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Post by macca on Feb 26, 2022 11:49:25 GMT
You get 6 Valves and bare solid core copper wire linking it all up, throw it in a Bisto Tin and someone will absolutely love it. mmmnm just had an idea for numpty business venture, might stick a wanted ad for used Bisto tins in the classifieds Lynda Bellingham could do your TV ads.
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Post by electronumpty on Feb 26, 2022 12:16:19 GMT
mmmnm just had an idea for numpty business venture, might stick a wanted ad for used Bisto tins in the classifieds Lynda Bellingham could do your TV ads. Yeah could also borrow the neighbours sprogs and use then as a pair of "Numpty kids" in any advertising 😛
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Post by jimbo on Feb 26, 2022 12:48:02 GMT
What is the price for this preamp?
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Post by Bigman80 on Feb 26, 2022 13:06:35 GMT
What is the price for this preamp? It's *under review* without remote, *Under review* with remote. Includes, Dual transformers wired for anti-phase current, custom made 23 position stepped attenuator - channel matched to 0.1%, PC-Triple C internal hookup wire, CMC sockets, Dale 0.1% resistors on the BT2 PCB and miniature gold plated contact Elma switch.
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Post by Bigman80 on Feb 26, 2022 14:31:23 GMT
Installed temporarily, but now working!!! Pictures from earlier. Absolutely delighted
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Post by jimbo on Feb 26, 2022 16:01:55 GMT
What is the price for this preamp? It's *under review* without remote, *Under review* with remote. Includes, Dual transformers wired for anti-phase current, custom made 23 position stepped attenuator - channel matched to 0.1%, PC-Triple C internal hookup wire, CMC sockets, Dale 0.1% resistors on the BT2 PCB and miniature gold plated contact Elma switch. Fair price considering parts, build quality etc. Nice.
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Post by Bigman80 on Feb 26, 2022 17:49:15 GMT
It's £1500 without remote, £1800 with remote. Includes, Dual transformers wired for anti-phase current, custom made 23 position stepped attenuator - channel matched to 0.1%, PC-Triple C internal hookup wire, CMC sockets, Dale 0.1% resistors on the BT2 PCB and miniature gold plated contact Elma switch. Fair price considering parts, build quality etc. Nice. Like everything we do, Jim. No foo, no sales patter, just honest - high performance equipment for very reasonable money. This unit would be £7.5k if made by anyone with an ounce of business acumen.
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Post by electronumpty on Feb 26, 2022 19:21:17 GMT
Great stuff mate nice to see the finished product. 👍👏👌
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Post by lurch on Feb 26, 2022 20:16:31 GMT
I think the only reason he makes silver ones is because if he made black ones he wouldn't be able to keep up with demand. Lazy bugger. 🤣🤣
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Post by robbiegong on Feb 26, 2022 20:20:34 GMT
Await some shots of the rear, in good time Olster
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Post by Bigman80 on Feb 26, 2022 20:30:50 GMT
Great stuff mate nice to see the finished product. 👍👏👌 Thanks, Andy. I am glad to finally have a finished unit (until i rewire it in a couple of weeks lol)
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Post by Bigman80 on Feb 26, 2022 20:31:32 GMT
I think the only reason he makes silver ones is because if he made black ones he wouldn't be able to keep up with demand. Lazy bugger. 🤣🤣 All the best cases are in silver mate. If i found a black one anywhere near this quality, i'd get it.
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Post by Bigman80 on Feb 26, 2022 20:35:35 GMT
Await some shots of the rear, in good time Olster I'll post some pics of the rear when i have built one of the others as mine isn't standard. Not much to see though, just sockets lol
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Post by antonio on Feb 27, 2022 1:43:32 GMT
"This time next year we'll be millionaire's"
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Post by Bigman80 on Feb 27, 2022 8:29:54 GMT
"This time next year we'll be millionaire's" Doubtful.....I'd have to make a lot of these lol
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Post by macca on Feb 27, 2022 9:47:21 GMT
"This time next year we'll be millionaire's" Doubtful.....I'd have to make a lot of these lol or increase your margins to the industry standard, or even better the 'high end' industry standard. Was reading yesterday that Audio Notes best selling product is the Meishu amplifier, they have sold 5000 of them over 25 years = 200 a year. Retail price is around $17K Such tiny volumes yet they are a successful business, not too hard to join the dots.
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Post by Bigman80 on Feb 27, 2022 9:53:46 GMT
Doubtful.....I'd have to make a lot of these lol or increase your margins to the industry standard, or even better the 'high end' industry standard. Was reading yesterday that Audio Notes best selling product is the Meishu amplifier, they have sold 5000 of them over 25 years = 200 a year. Retail price is around $17K Such tiny volumes yet they are a successful business, not too hard to join the dots. Yeah, but that's not why I do this mate. The AudioNote (and others) bullshit is the exact reason why we remain Extremely reasonable, though I am starting to think that maybe we're too reasonable to be taken seriously. Seems the audio world is obsessed with things having to change at £10k before they are any good. Maybe I'll put a another zero on the asking price
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Post by macca on Feb 27, 2022 10:05:04 GMT
I know your motivations but it's just a wider discussion isn't it?
Comparing cottage industry 'doing it for the love of it' and real-world business practice can be educational.
Far East is where the volumes are, just swap the silver knobs for gold plated, stick a zero on the price and get reviewed by The Absolute Sound, 6 Moons or similar, and you'll be off to the races.
Although it's a lot easier said than done.
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Post by macca on Feb 27, 2022 10:07:09 GMT
I did think you were going to quote a retail price of £2.5K though so I think you are too cheap even given what your approach/attitude is.
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Post by Bigman80 on Feb 27, 2022 10:11:20 GMT
I did think you were going to quote a retail price of £2.5K though so I think you are too cheap even given what your approach/attitude is. Yeah, you're probably right and to be honest, I was saying yesterday that in all likelihood I haven't allowed enough margin on it so it may have to go up a bit. £2.5k still makes this a bonafide bargain, as it's nearest competition in terms of spec is £7.5k. It's still doesn't match the spec of the BT2 though. I'm going to have to give this some serious thought.
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Post by electronumpty on Feb 27, 2022 11:13:52 GMT
Undercutting stupid prices competition is one thing. Undercutting yourself is another matter altogether and to be avoided really.
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Post by Bigman80 on Feb 27, 2022 11:34:52 GMT
Undercutting stupid prices competition is one thing. Undercutting yourself is another matter altogether and to be avoided really. Yup, I've been doing the sums and I have miscalculated a few costs, but these are things you find out when you finish making the first unit. I now have a better gauge of costs involved and will confer with the partners about costs.
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Post by sq225917 on Feb 27, 2022 11:50:05 GMT
The Topping pre 90 does -120db thd and snr and is £600 with full remote.
The benchmark la4 does -125db thd and better than -135db snr, and is £2,900 with touchscreen and full remote control.
How does the BA2 measure up, better than the Topping?
Bruno's diy bpbp comes in at -110db for thd and snr and that's £90 for the main pcb, add chassis, remote and pot and you're at about £700 parts cost. If that was a retail item you'd be looking at about 2.5k Similarly the Hattor balanced remote unit with buffers ranges from about 1300 to 2100 and that's with a bloody lovely custom extruded chassis and display.
Lots of players in this field from very cheap to 2.5k all with pedigree.
Were I replacing my bpbp I'd struggle to see past the Topping
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Post by macca on Feb 27, 2022 12:35:53 GMT
The Topping pre 90 does -120db thd and snr and is £600 with full remote. The benchmark la4 does -125db thd and better than -135db snr, and is £2,900 with touchscreen and full remote control. How does the BA2 measure up, better than the Topping? Bruno's diy bpbp comes in at -110db for thd and snr and that's £90 for the main pcb, add chassis, remote and pot and you're at about £700 parts cost. If that was a retail item you'd be looking at about 2.5k Similarly the Hattor balanced remote unit with buffers ranges from about 1300 to 2100 and that's with a bloody lovely custom extruded chassis and display. Lots of players in this field from very cheap to 2.5k all with pedigree. Were I replacing my bpbp I'd struggle to see past the Topping Many people will not consider the Topping as it does not look expensive and is made in China. The same internals put in a flash case, made in the West and costing three grand it would be a different ballgame. You have to know your market, if everyone bought solely on the specs Audionote would go broke in days. Reality is there's a global market of millions who will buy based on the 6 Moons (et al) reviews and the general 'brand cachet'. They don't care about the weighted THD figure, they don't even know what it means. And if it is cheap then it can't possibly be any good, they won't even look at it except to scoff.
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Post by antonio on Feb 27, 2022 13:28:55 GMT
There is no need to charge the earth for your builds, but if you look on the NVA forum, Savvypaul is open regarding his parts cost to his selling price, might be worth you having a look.
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Post by Bigman80 on Feb 27, 2022 13:50:51 GMT
There is no need to charge the earth for your builds, but if you look on the NVA forum, Savvypaul is open regarding his parts cost to his selling price, might be worth you having a look. I dont charge the earth, never have and will continue to do what I believe in. However, I have paid more for things than originally estimated, so a slight adjustment will be required. Thankfully, it's not drastic.
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