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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2019 19:27:50 GMT
Can someone explain to me why people buy them?
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Post by Bigman80 on Oct 23, 2019 19:31:39 GMT
Can someone explain to me why people buy them? So they can justify paying ten grand for a muscle amp? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2019 19:49:34 GMT
Ive never ever had a pair that sounded any good tbh..
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2019 19:53:41 GMT
Ive never ever had a pair that sounded any good tbh.. I tend to agree, with one exception. My 83db Celestion SL600 Si speakers sounded decent enough. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2019 9:59:04 GMT
Cause people buy what they like, not what somebody else likes.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2019 12:13:43 GMT
Because they are usually small! That simple. I have no specific problem with the sound of them.
Physics says that if you have a small speaker and want it to have any bass then it's going to be inefficient.
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Post by macca on Oct 24, 2019 12:48:42 GMT
It's whatsit's Iron Law - you can have any two of the following three:
Small size, high efficiency, deep bass.
The modern trend is to make small, high efficiency speakers and give them a bass peak around 100Hz or so, so that mug punters think the speaker has 'good bass' for its size when in reality it's just a mid band peak that will sound really chunky with some music and sound like there is no bass at all with other material.
In any case it used to be (1970s,1980s) that most speakers were around 80 to 83db and a jbl or summat at around 90db was 'high sensitivity' whereas now pretty much every speaker is 87-90 dB and 'high efficiency' is now taken to mean over 94dB which is almost nothing but designs with some sort of horn loading.
So given that there is no-one making genuine 'low efficiency' speakers any more and that you can by amps with about a million watts of power for a couple of hundred quid in any case, I don't really see the point of the question.
Worst case is speakers with low efficiency and low power handling. No bloody use at all!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2019 13:44:35 GMT
out of experience i found low powered amps to sound better than high powered ones. Hence High Efficiency speakers.. Does not seem logical then to buy a big power amp & hungry speakers.. However im not a Audio Scientist like some.. What do i know.  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2019 14:24:48 GMT
It's whatsit's Iron Law - you can have any two of the following three: Small size, high efficiency, deep bass. The modern trend is to make small, high efficiency speakers and give them a bass peak around 100Hz or so, so that mug punters think the speaker has 'good bass' for its size when in reality it's just a mid band peak that will sound really chunky with some music and sound like there is no bass at all with other material. In any case it used to be (1970s,1980s) that most speakers were around 80 to 83db and a jbl or summat at around 90db was 'high sensitivity' whereas now pretty much every speaker is 87-90 dB and 'high efficiency' is now taken to mean over 94dB which is almost nothing but designs with some sort of horn loading. So given that there is no-one making genuine 'low efficiency' speakers any more and that you can by amps with about a million watts of power for a couple of hundred quid in any case, I don't really see the point of the question. Worst case is speakers with low efficiency and low power handling. No bloody use at all! Hoffman's! |
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Post by macca on Oct 24, 2019 14:43:51 GMT
That's him - Well remembered.
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Post by sq225917 on Oct 24, 2019 16:12:45 GMT
Genuinely good low efficiency speakers are few and far between. I can only think of the little acoustic energy monitors that really tickled me in the past 20 years.
I know what's are cheap these days by why do it way no one like burnt voice coils and drivers that need warming up sound good.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2019 16:46:43 GMT
Just imagine if Paul Klipsch read this thread, lol.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2019 17:10:48 GMT
Just imagine if Paul Klipsch read this thread, lol. S. I've yet to hear a Klipsch speaker I thought even acceptable.... In fact I generally don't like very high efficiency speakers as they usually have loads of colouration and shoutyness! There seems to be a "Goldilocks region" around 87-94dB/W where most of the best sounding speakers live IMHO. Some may recall a rare Stax electrostatic speaker which was said to sound fecking amazing but needed around 200WPC just to play a "girl with guitar" or string quartet track! I'm vaguely recalling (and may be wrong!) that Stax made class A monoblocks of about 250W and about the size and shape of a fridge (each!) to go with this speaker... Again totally IIRC but 73dB/W comes to mind for these speakers! |
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Post by macca on Oct 24, 2019 17:15:23 GMT
Klipsch designs were all the size of wardrobes though. I've never heard any but I've read that even the biggest one don't do deep bass.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2019 17:18:26 GMT
Just imagine if Paul Klipsch read this thread, lol. S. I've yet to hear a Klipsch speaker I thought even acceptable.... In fact I generally don't like very high efficiency speakers as they usually have loads of colouration and shoutyness! There seems to be a "Goldilocks region" around 87-94dB/W where most of the best sounding speakers live IMHO. Some may recall a rare Stax electrostatic speaker which was said to sound fecking amazing but needed around 200WPC just to play a "girl with guitar" or string quartet track! I'm vaguely recalling (and may be wrong!) that Stax made class A monoblocks of about 250W and about the size and shape of a fridge (each!) to go with this speaker... Again totally IIRC but 73dB/W comes to mind for these speakers! Have you heard the larger Klipschorn? S. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2019 17:18:44 GMT
Klipsch designs were all the size of wardrobes though. I've never heard any but I've read that even the biggest one don't do deep bass. Klipschhorns are the biggest I know of and although big are not quite that big.... but yes they don't go that deep and they are really coloured!! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2019 15:08:24 GMT
Klipsch designs were all the size of wardrobes though. I've never heard any but I've read that even the biggest one don't do deep bass. Never judge a Klipsch until you have heard the the Heritage series. |
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