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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2019 20:29:26 GMT
Lot of people on here clearly dont listen to music.. I rest my cast tbh..
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2019 20:32:48 GMT
When posting boards first started up which were nothing like the forums they are now. My main mission dad to dad was of a Prog Evangelist, this is where i bumped into Wallace. We were a great duo at one time with our many alter egos. Till i discovered Hi-Fi forums where i could do both at the same time.. But people started getting a bit lippy about prog, ripping the Sh#t out of it at ever possible chance.. This is where i started getting nasty on forums.. Nowadays i dont take any seriously & just post any old crap day in day out.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2019 21:07:53 GMT
Audiophiles only care about the equipment. I happen to be one of them. So there!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2019 21:10:26 GMT
Seems very odd thats like buying a car & not driving it.. lol
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2019 21:11:58 GMT
I bet you Audiophile would love to hear this, maybe some day eh... TANGERINE DREAM - PHAEDRA
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2019 21:14:09 GMT
You have audiophiles, and again you have audiophiles. They all come in different levels. From mild to severe.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2019 21:49:36 GMT
You have audiophiles, and again you have audiophiles. They all come in different levels. From mild to severe. S. What as in one sits and watches his Intergrated amp all night wondering what it must sound like & the other level watches his Pre/Power amp all night wondering if he can pluck the courage up to press those two magic power buttons?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2019 6:48:20 GMT
I was listening to prog before you were born, but I grew out of it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2019 8:10:05 GMT
You have audiophiles, and again you have audiophiles. They all come in different levels. From mild to severe. S. I guess the difference is similar to that between bibliophiles, who care greatly whether a book is a first edition, still has its dust-jacket, is signed by the author etc, and who may not read a book for fear of reducing its value, and those who simply enjoy reading books, and don't give a toss about whether a book is the first or the fifteenth edidtion, as long as the print is legible. But I think that most people who are passionate about hifi are equally passionate about music; indeed they got into hifi precisely for that reason.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2019 8:18:35 GMT
You have audiophiles, and again you have audiophiles. They all come in different levels. From mild to severe. S. I guess the difference is similar to that between bibliophiles, who care greatly whether a book is a first edition, still has its dust-jacket, is signed by the author etc, and who may not read a book for fear of reducing its value, and those who simply enjoy reading books, and don't give a toss about whether a book is the first or the fifteenth edidtion, as long as the print is legible. But I think that most people who are passionate about hifi are equally passionate about music; indeed they got into hifi precisely for that reason. And people who collect trainers. Heaven forbid that they should actually be worn!! Here's a ten grand pair: www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Jordan-Tinker-3-Oregon-Ducks-PE-SAMPLE-US-9/123740664472?hash=item1ccf84b298:g:FRIAAOSwm-FcOoU~Of course there's also watches...........but we won't even go there. EEK!
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Post by pauld on Oct 21, 2019 8:29:02 GMT
I agree with this sentiment, however I am not an Audiophile, I am a music fan first, the equipment is only there to help me enjoy the production of that music.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2019 8:45:18 GMT
Nothing wrong with being either a 100% HiFi enthusiast or a 100% music enthusiast but I would bet most on here are somewhere in between. Anyone coming on to what is primarily a hifi/audio forum with no interest in hifi whatsoever is in the wrong place.
I accept even the most hardcore music only enthusiast still needs "something" to play their music with but it probably won't be high up their agenda. If it is then they fit into the somewhere in between camp like the rest of us :-)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2019 9:09:20 GMT
I think you are being a tad unfair and rather opinionated, Bill.
I listen to music from all sorts of sources, AM in the car, cause the only station that plays my kind of music is on AM. Never mind if it sounds crap, and it goes off in a garage and under a bridge, or squawks like hell when near power lines.
I do however like to listen to music reproduced in the finest way possible, within my budget. If some blokes like to spend big bucks on kit, box swap, play with wire, etc: that is their business, their life their money and their choice. To say they still do not enjoy music is nonsense.
Jabbing at other peoples lifestyle choices, smacks of Communism or totalitarianism in some or other form. We are free to choice for ourselves, as are you.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2019 9:11:34 GMT
You have audiophiles, and again you have audiophiles. They all come in different levels. From mild to severe. S. What as in one sits and watches his Intergrated amp all night wondering what it must sound like & the other level watches his Pre/Power amp all night wondering if he can pluck the courage up to press those two magic power buttons? That is entirely up to him, and his business alone.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2019 11:47:31 GMT
I agree with this sentiment, however I am not an Audiophile, I am a music fan first, the equipment is only there to help me enjoy the production of that music. I wonder if there's anyone who actually self-identifies as an audiophile?
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Post by pauld on Oct 21, 2019 12:34:32 GMT
I agree with this sentiment, however I am not an Audiophile, I am a music fan first, the equipment is only there to help me enjoy the production of that music. I wonder if there's anyone who actually self-identifies as an audiophile? Why not?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2019 12:39:12 GMT
I agree with this sentiment, however I am not an Audiophile, I am a music fan first, the equipment is only there to help me enjoy the production of that music. I wonder if there's anyone who actually self-identifies as an audiophile? You bet there are, I used the word Audiofool on a forum, got a tongue lashing from some very serious dudes for insulting audiophiles. I just shut up and let them rave on. Far to few people if any self identify as idiots?
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Post by pauld on Oct 21, 2019 13:00:42 GMT
What is it with the phrases Audiofool and Audio Foo? what gives anyone the right to judge others. I know that I have picked on this particularly, but unless someone is 100% perfect (which nobody is!) what right do they have to judge anyone else?
For instance if someone feels they have made a marked improvement to their music enjoyment by buying an expensive fuse, good luck to them, what business is it of anyone elses?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2019 13:06:47 GMT
What is it with the phrases Audiofool and Audio Foo? what gives anyone the right to judge others. I know that I have picked on this particularly, but unless someone is 100% perfect (which nobody is!) what right do they have to judge anyone else? For instance if someone feels they have made a marked improvement to their music enjoyment by buying an expensive fuse, good luck to them, what business is it of anyone elses? Precisely. When I had the word 'BUM' tattooed in big capitals across my forehead, people made comments and were judgemental. What right did they have to do this and what business of theirs was it?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2019 13:23:47 GMT
I started buying audio to listen to music. Does this work the other way round? A lot of box swappers on here but they must put the odd tune on before going on to the next best thing. Some people do appear to have more gear than records or CDs. Some of those streaming nuts only have gear. Files are not a music collection. If Spotify and Tidal folded they would be left with the gear only. LOL.
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Post by pauld on Oct 21, 2019 14:49:28 GMT
What is it with the phrases Audiofool and Audio Foo? what gives anyone the right to judge others. I know that I have picked on this particularly, but unless someone is 100% perfect (which nobody is!) what right do they have to judge anyone else? For instance if someone feels they have made a marked improvement to their music enjoyment by buying an expensive fuse, good luck to them, what business is it of anyone elses? Precisely. When I had the word 'BUM' tattooed in big capitals across my forehead, people made comments and were judgemental. What right did they have to do this and what business of theirs was it? Hardly the same, but I see what you are trying to get at!
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Post by pauld on Oct 21, 2019 14:57:11 GMT
I started buying audio to listen to music. Does this work the other way round? A lot of box swappers on here but they must put the odd tune on before going on to the next best thing. Some people do appear to have more gear than records or CDs. Some of those streaming nuts only have gear. Files are not a music collection. If Spotify and Tidal folded they would be left with the gear only. LOL. I agree with your point about Spotify, Tidal, Paul. Personally, I like to have a variety, so I have music on the HDD of my streamer and can play the odd CD if I like from it too. Then the majority of my music is on an iMac with external drives, which I use Asset UPnP to stream from and I use Spotify for new music. Plus Vinyl and Cassette Tape for those occasional times I feel like listening to them. The best sounding of the bunch is the music that is stored on the local HDD of my streamer. Even to the point where playing a CD using the internal CD drive on the streamer, doesn't sound as good as when it has been used to import the music in WAV format onto the HDD. Why that could be is a mystery to me.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2019 16:33:42 GMT
I wonder if there's anyone who actually self-identifies as an audiophile? You bet there are, I used the word Audiofool on a forum, got a tongue lashing from some very serious dudes for insulting audiophiles. I just shut up and let them rave on. Far to few people if any self identify as idiots? I'm definitely an idiot, but make up for it by being a really nice bloke.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2019 16:52:47 GMT
I wonder if there's anyone who actually self-identifies as an audiophile? Why not? Because I think the term 'audiophile' has acquired negative connotations, as suggested by the OP's 'hi-fi dudes don't listen to music'. It didn't use to have such connotations; there was a hifi mag titled 'Audiophile' back in the early '90s that I used to buy occasionally and I didn't feel the need to have it wrapped in a brown paper bag. The idea of a stereotypical hi-fi owner having kit worth tens of thousands and only half a dozen albums is bollocks anyway. This whole thing is all about the tendency to want to stick labels on people. We're all different; as someone once said, the only thing we have in common is that we were all born and we're all going to die. But there's a constant need to bundle people together as 'chavs', 'benefits scroungers', 'posh gits', or, worse still, by race/religion/nationality, as if every follower of a certain religion was the same as all others followers of that religion.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2019 17:13:50 GMT
Because I think the term 'audiophile' has acquired negative connotations, as suggested by the OP's 'hi-fi dudes don't listen to music'. It didn't use to have such connotations; there was a hifi mag titled 'Audiophile' back in the early '90s that I used to buy occasionally and I didn't feel the need to have it wrapped in a brown paper bag. The idea of a stereotypical hi-fi owner having kit worth tens of thousands and only half a dozen albums is bollocks anyway. This whole thing is all about the tendency to want to stick labels on people. We're all different; as someone once said, the only thing we have in common is that we were all born and we're all going to die. But there's a constant need to bundle people together as 'chavs', 'benefits scroungers', 'posh gits', or, worse still, by race/religion/nationality, as if every follower of a certain religion was the same as all others followers of that religion. Well said.
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Post by Bigman80 on Oct 21, 2019 17:41:08 GMT
Because I think the term 'audiophile' has acquired negative connotations, as suggested by the OP's 'hi-fi dudes don't listen to music'. It didn't use to have such connotations; there was a hifi mag titled 'Audiophile' back in the early '90s that I used to buy occasionally and I didn't feel the need to have it wrapped in a brown paper bag. The idea of a stereotypical hi-fi owner having kit worth tens of thousands and only half a dozen albums is bollocks anyway. This whole thing is all about the tendency to want to stick labels on people. We're all different; as someone once said, the only thing we have in common is that we were all born and we're all going to die. But there's a constant need to bundle people together as 'chavs', 'benefits scroungers', 'posh gits', or, worse still, by race/religion/nationality, as if every follower of a certain religion was the same as all others followers of that religion. Well said. If also think it's odd that some folk frown on love of the gear and think it's somehow more noble to love the music without really caring about the gear. Lots of car guys collect motors which they restore, pamper and never drive. It's okay for car enthusiasts to love cars and not drive them much, but somehow audiophiles don't have the same freedoms. I love the gear at least as much as I love music. I appreciate the design, build, finish and feel. Also the pride of ownership and I'm not afraid to admit it. I have no problem with folk who love music whatever it's played on, but that's not me. To me, a sound is either pleasing or it isn't. Distorting transistor radio or mobile phone sound will make me want to turn off any music. Average sound also won't do it justice. To me, good music needs good reproduction for it to be enjoyable. That's just how I am and I don't care if others see that as somehow less worthy than loving music unconditionally.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2019 18:10:27 GMT
I have never cared what other people think and think of me in particular. I have enough of my own issues, to be bothered with others issues.
I am so glad I am free from that affliction. Being a raving carrot top got me a lot of stick most of my life, before it fell out and the rest went grey. It bothered the hell out of them that I did not care and owned all the teasing in fact they used to get quite angry.
I was listening to jazz and buying jazz records from the age of 9. The first lp record I actually paid for with my own money was the Sound Track of the 1959 movie The Five Pennies. The second was a two lp instrumental George Gershwin box collection by various orchestras. Still have both. It earned me a lot of scorn, never been one to be bothered with peer pressure.
As Red Nichols actually played the Cornet on the sound track instead of a Trumpet like Louis Armstrong did, it got me curious about the difference in tone of various brass instruments. Still prefer the Cornet to the Trumpet. Another reason I was madly infatuated with the young Tuesday Weld.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2019 19:45:47 GMT
I started buying audio to listen to music. Does this work the other way round? A lot of box swappers on here but they must put the odd tune on before going on to the next best thing. Some people do appear to have more gear than records or CDs. Some of those streaming nuts only have gear. Files are not a music collection. If Spotify and Tidal folded they would be left with the gear only. LOL. Box swapping is as much part of the hobby as collecting Vinyl or building your own speakers, all the way up to owning a HiFi outlet. People seem to have this idea that audiophilia is to do one thing, it isn't. I like to listen to music, it's why I got a turntable. I still love to listen to music, and now I use that love of music to try lots of different equipment. I now enjoy listening to music, on its of different Kit and building my own hifi components. As you can see, there isn't a right or wrong way to enjoy this harmless hobby of ours. It's a many faceted hobby and those people who go to those who buy and sell, try new gear, buy music on a regular basis, play an instrument, organise events, hold regular bakeoffs... I salute them. That's also why forums are so interesting, everyone gets something different rom the way they enjoy the hobby.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2019 19:50:49 GMT
If also think it's odd that some folk frown on love of the gear and think it's somehow more noble to love the music without really caring about the gear. Lots of car guys collect motors which they restore, pamper and never drive. It's okay for car enthusiasts to love cars and not drive them much, but somehow audiophiles don't have the same freedoms. I love the gear at least as much as I love music. I appreciate the design, build, finish and feel. Also the pride of ownership and I'm not afraid to admit it. I have no problem with folk who love music whatever it's played on, but that's not me. To me, a sound is either pleasing or it isn't. Distorting transistor radio or mobile phone sound will make me want to turn off any music. Average sound also won't do it justice. To me, good music needs good reproduction for it to be enjoyable. That's just how I am and I don't care if others see that as somehow less worthy than loving music unconditionally. Those guys with the cars get enjoyment from driving them, just as much as from fixing them. Part of the appeal is to drive a perfect example. It's an enjoyable feeling to them and why shouldn't it be. The lure of something I haven't heard that is of interest is as exciting as grabbing a rare vinyl or getting a ridiculous bargain. Enjoyment in this hobby Comes in many forms. But to suggest audiophiles don't like music, or don't listen to it is absolute nonsense. It's a criticism levelled at others from those who don't 'get' the appeal of hearing something in its absolute best state.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2019 22:22:22 GMT
Only takes one wrong part of a system to send the balloon up.. I thought i had a good sounding Headphone amp till i connected my headphones to this new vintage amp which Ran rings around the headphone amp big style. I also learned that certain albums sounded crap which lead me to not playing them much, To hear them again sounding a much much better, will lead me to playing them again on a regular basis.. I am again playing music none stop..
I honestly believe that a lot of box swapping is done unnecessarily due to other deciding factors..Again i have proven this in the past re buying gear i once got rid off only to use it in another way/combination..
I know in my head how i want my music to sound & how i will be most happy.. No matter what it takes & how unorthodox the means of doing so.. If i have to use Files to give me what i want so be it, if i have to use sound shaping tools to get me closer to my ideal so be it.. I like Physical music collections but if they aint giving me what i want im not interested..One thing i refuse to play the game with is Hi-Fi rule books. It may upset a lot but i see these people mostly getting nowhere, They say they are happy only to be selling something on before you know it which leads me back to what i was saying further up about Synergy..
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